My friend went his own way since high school...now he's whipped.

I got this good friend of mine since high school who was always a natural born MGTOW. Quiet guy. Alienated people through silence. Never participated in group things. Kept a very small group of friends. Never got into any trouble, liked staying home on weekends and play video games rather then go out. Great guy though and a sharp sense of humor too. We'll call him Adam.

Adam never dated in high school and I only ever saw him have one girlfriend at 18. Never dated in his 20s and I'm pretty sure he went years at a time without getting laid. I would know because we are close and we used to hang out all the time.

Now, Adam never had any girlfriends or any kind of relationship with a woman but to anyone who knows him it's clear it's because he avoids women. I mean this guy is really just discontent. He's genuinely not interested. At all.

I never thought it was weird but of course my wife, being a woman, thought that made him "not normal" and was always trying to hook him up with her slutty bimbo friends   
Anyway after Adam turned 30 he met up with this girl on fuckbook we all knew from back in the day (awww shyit, here we go red pill).
We'll call this very sweet girl Lexus.

When Adam's cousin came to visit us from out of province a few years before he banged Lexus just once and got her pregnant. The last three years Lexus has been a   SINGLE...MOM   with Adam's cousin's thugspawn. The guy has never been back to our city since and has never seen Lexus again or his kid.

Now Adam and Lexus have been together since 2012 and she had a kid with him this past summer, however I wouldn't be surprised if it weren't even his, seeing as she tried to blow his brother one time. He told him, don't worry they bros. So Adam even knows this about her. Anyway, before they has the kid, Adam's brother kept me up to date on how Adam very quickly went from a self-sufficient, stable-minded, humorous guy who always just did what he wanted and only ever worried about his own job and apartment, into a sniveling...wretched...emotionally dependent...horrifyingly insecure...disgusting...pitiful shell of his former self and it's greatest heresy I have ever been forced to watch happen to any of my friends!!!!
...whew, sorry about that   

I've moved away a year ago and I'm not there anymore to see this and it was already so bad even by then and he was already so far gone into this hideous transformation that there was nothing I could do. I'm sorry Adam.

You'll see this happen as time goes on. I had to stand by and watch a man I came up with in the military turn into a supplicating doormat.

Me and him went through advanced tech school together, and got assigned the same base afterwards. We chased women, got drunk and did shit together not exactly compliant with the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Once he moved to our duty station, he re-connected with some chick he knew from his home state and married her.

After that she tried to use me for a stud, and when I turned her ass down she got knocked up by some other guy. My friend is now raising someone else's kid. It sucks because given her history with me, I can't even set foot into his house to visit without risking a repeat of her trying to root me.

As much as we might wish every man would understand the truth about women, 'tis not so regrettably.

Truth be told, I bet most guys know it but they're too shamed and beaten down by the current culture to even start growing a spine. And yep I feel for everyone one of them. I hope what I write here now and in the future reaches just one guy out there who's dating a single mom or even about to put a damn ring on it and make him consider his other options.

There is a saying by Friedrich Nietzche.

Here is the complete quote :- "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look into the abyss, the abyss also looks into you."

Being a MGTOW is not easy. If it was it would have been a mainstream idea for time immemorial. Being a MGTOW is accepting harsh realities about the world, societies, the human female and the predisposed interaction.

It is against the evolutionary biology and evolutionary programmed psychology. I mean at the end of the day evolution does not give a single fuck about ethics or the value of lives. As long as genetic material gets passed and a species survive, its fine. No matter the costs. If such costs were taken into account we would never have parasitic life forms or life forms actually eat their sexual partner after reproduction.

It is a fight. A constant fight against our preprogrammed nature in pursuit of a better life that is not dependent on them.

The fight is hard. Sometimes you make it through. Sometimes you fail.

Ever had this gnawing doubt or this lapse in your MGTOW mindset ? That's the equivalent of the abyss looking back at you. & you must take a great care not to slip. Or to blink. Or to fall.

My guess is your pal or rather ex-pal Adam fell / blinked / peeked when the abyss looked back.

That's an excellent perspective! I agree, fighting my hard wiring is pretty tough man.

Maybe the problem was that he never had extensive dating experience, so that he never could get disillusioned about the nature of women.

I knew guys like these, anyhow, and they were always great. Whenever women call someone 'strange' and a 'loser' (usually because said person doesn't date as much or because he likes to be alone) he always turns out to be a great guy.

For guys like that, I'm going to have to agree that it's the hardest for them to finally see the true nature of women. In essence, guys like that tend to project their own sincerity and sense of morality into some woman that they may have deemed to be NAWALT. And when she does do something sweet for him (temporarily), it confirms his bias that she is NAWALT. It gets to a point where he trusts the chick with his life... and he will later pay for it.

I used to wonder how different my life would be if my teenage years had been different.

now I'm glad I didn't end up like that. I never "broke out of my shell" as they say, and now I wonder if I had if I would have ended up in a relationshit or married.

Ancient Sunlight wrote:Maybe the problem was that he never had extensive dating experience, so that he never could get disillusioned about the nature of women.

I knew guys like these, anyhow, and they were always great. Whenever women call someone 'strange' and a 'loser' (usually because said person doesn't date as much or because he likes to be alone) he always turns out to be a great guy.

Don't forget about being called a "creep".

If one has an analytical personality, then they would not need dating experience because there is so much material on show.

Poor fucking guy. He has my sympathy.

Darth Sin wrote:There is a saying by Friedrich Nietzche.

Here is the complete quote :- "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look into the abyss, the abyss also looks into you."

Being a MGTOW is not easy. If it was it would have been a mainstream idea for time immemorial. Being a MGTOW is accepting harsh realities about the world, societies, the human female and the predisposed interaction.

It is against the evolutionary biology and evolutionary programmed psychology. I mean at the end of the day evolution does not give a single fuck about ethics or the value of lives. As long as genetic material gets passed and a species survive, its fine. No matter the costs. If such costs were taken into account we would never have parasitic life forms or life forms actually eat their sexual partner after  reproduction.

It is a fight. A constant fight against our preprogrammed nature in pursuit of a better life that is not dependent on them.

The fight is hard. Sometimes you make it through. Sometimes you fail.

Ever had this gnawing doubt or this lapse in your MGTOW mindset ? That's the equivalent of the abyss looking back at you. & you must take a great care not to slip. Or to blink. Or to fall.

My guess is your pal or rather ex-pal Adam fell / blinked / peeked when the abyss looked back.

This needs to be repped.

Grenade001 wrote:

Ancient Sunlight wrote:Maybe the problem was that he never had extensive dating experience, so that he never could get disillusioned about the nature of women.

I knew guys like these, anyhow, and they were always great. Whenever women call someone 'strange' and a 'loser' (usually because said person doesn't date as much or because he likes to be alone) he always turns out to be a great guy.

Don't forget about being called a "creep".

If one has an analytical personality, then they would not need dating experience because there is so much material on show.

True.

But I'll borrow a quote from a famous financial advisor.

"If wealth were about math, I'd be out of a job !" Basically , when it comes to the subject of spending money us humans are very irrational, and so it goes for women. Most men , myself included, are incapable of complete and detached evaluation of their women.Yesterday, I was walking on the campus quad and ended up behind just the most ADORABLE couple one ever did see.

As the guy with the army backpack and military haircut waltzed through the snow with his short raven haired lady friend, said girl looked behind herself at me once....then again. While holding her man's hand.

If he were paying attention that BS would have been detected immediately.It wasn't, because he was high on the worst drug man's ever encountered.The narcotic- Vagina, with streetnames known as cunt, pussy, gash, sometimes called a taco by other dealers.

Octavian wrote:

Grenade001 wrote:

Ancient Sunlight wrote:Maybe the problem was that he never had extensive dating experience, so that he never could get disillusioned about the nature of women.

I knew guys like these, anyhow, and they were always great. Whenever women call someone 'strange' and a 'loser' (usually because said person doesn't date as much or because he likes to be alone) he always turns out to be a great guy.

Don't forget about being called a "creep".

If one has an analytical personality, then they would not need dating experience because there is so much material on show.

True.

But I'll borrow a quote from a famous financial advisor.

"If wealth were about math, I'd be out of a job !" Basically , when it comes to the subject of spending money us humans are very irrational, and so it goes for women. Most men , myself included, are incapable of complete and detached evaluation of their women.Yesterday, I was walking on the campus quad and ended up behind just the most ADORABLE couple one ever did see.

As the guy with the army backpack and military haircut waltzed through the snow with his short raven haired lady friend, said girl looked behind herself at me once....then again. While holding her man's hand.

If he were paying attention that BS would have been detected immediately.It wasn't, because he was high on the worst drug man's ever encountered.The narcotic- Vagina, with streetnames known as cunt, pussy, gash, sometimes called a taco by other dealers.

Girls still get me going if their good looking enough, don't worry about that! Some days I seriously shouldn't be let outside   

Darth Sin wrote:There is a saying by Friedrich Nietzche.

Here is the complete quote :- "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look into the abyss, the abyss also looks into you."

As soon as I have a chance to put up a signature I'm going to use that. I will need the constant reminder.

Happy_Hour wrote:That's an excellent perspective! I agree, fighting my hard wiring is pretty tough man.

That is why I have nothing but sympathy for so many of the guys that are still plugged into the matrix. I have seen so many comments that the sucker deserves what he got because he was stupid enough to get married in the first place. Or, that the guy getting cheated on and spit out after wasting years on some girl deserves it. Going against our inherent hardwiring and all societal programming is a tough row to hoe. If we can do it for the long haul does not mean we should expect every guy to be able to even see the row.

Mikediver wrote:

Happy_Hour wrote:That's an excellent perspective! I agree, fighting my hard wiring is pretty tough man.

That is why I have nothing but sympathy for so many of the guys that are still plugged into the matrix.  I have seen so many comments that the sucker deserves what he got because he was stupid enough to get married in the first place.  Or, that the guy getting cheated on and spit out after wasting years on some girl deserves it.  Going against our inherent hardwiring and all societal programming is a tough row to hoe.  If we can do it for the long haul does not mean we should expect every guy to be able to even see the row.  

Indeed. It WOULD be stupid, if they knew the stakes.

Most men don't. One of the biggest gaps between males and females today, is that damn near every healthy woman alive regardless of intellect, race, social level, or body type knows the stakes. Even if a woman is a born idiot, she WILL innately know that landing a valuable man is a critical portion of her life, even if she consciously rejects the notion. So when a woman goes to the bar, she's not going out as an act of random fun. Its part of an instinctual plan.

Us men, by comparison, don't think like that. I don't walk out the door to the local brewery thinking " if I land girl A, and keep girl B in suspense, maybe I have a shot at Girl C who is totally wife material." Even hardcore bluepill indoctrinated guys don't think like that. They go out because they're enjoying the moment, and if they get laid, its cherry on top. Females PLAN that shit . Yes, even the one who got drunk and fucked you in a wasted stupor.

The seminal quote which applies from the movie "The Hunt for Red October."

The Navy carrier commander puts it like this : "Russkies don't take a dump without a plan."

So it goes for women. They don't suck a dick without a plan. I came to that realization when one of my random lays saw fit to blab to me her "plans". Turned out she was dating Guy X, was fucking me on the side for kicks ( so she said) and had plans on locking down the department head at her job for a payday-call him Guy Y.

She wasn't the only one either. One of my creepiest interactions with women happened after fucking her a third night, and she was strategizing what her name would sound like in front of mine. It wasn't like something she thought of in the moment either-she burst out with it like i'd been sitting on her mind like a time bomb, and she just had to explode with it.

That simple truth is why so many men are suffering now, and not realizing why. They were marks from the very beginning, and never knew at the time that the moment she took their pants off it was game over. Its less like they're willfully choosing slavery, and more like a bank which is robbed by an intricate inside job heist.